Proto-Germanic as lingua franca between Indo-European and Uralic/Finnic
Many of us treat the ancient languages of our ancestors as liturgical languages, that is to say, we treat these languages as sacred as they relate to the holy breath (Önd) gifted to us by Odinn, as well as connecting us to our ancestors. As a result, any study of our ancestral religion should include a healthy understanding of linguistics.
Linked below is an interesting article which describes the formation of the proto-Germanic language from pre-Germanic (Indo-European; IE) as a language contact event between speakers of the Uralic language family (i.e. Finns, Sami, Estonians) and the people of the Nordic Bronze Age complex.
Proto-Germanic is a bit of an oddity in relation to other IE languages, most notably are the sound shifts associated with Grimm’s and Verner’s law. A classic example of this is the sound shift from PIE “p” sound to “f”, or “t” to “th” (think Latin Pater vs English Father).
While the theory present in the article is not entirely soundproof, and certainly has some issues, it is nevertheless highly interesting and provokes some thought. Additional evidence for this theory include recent genetic evidence not mentioned by this article, more specifically, Y chromosomal haplogroup N, which is classically associated with Uralic language speakers (and some IE speakers, such as Lithuanians), and is thought to have arrived in its current locations around the early Iron Age (700-400 BCE). These dates largely correspond quite strongly to the proposed estimated dates for the Grimm’s/Verner’s sound shifts.
The article in question:
https://indo-european.eu/2018/06/pre-germanic-born-out-of-a-proto-finnic-substrate-in-scandinavia/
Arrival of haplogroup N:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6544527/
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Many of us treat the ancient languages of our ancestors as liturgical languages, that is to say, we treat these languages as sacred as they relate to the holy breath (Önd) gifted to us by Odinn, as well as connecting us to our ancestors. As a result, any study of our ancestral religion should include a healthy understanding of linguistics.
Linked below is an interesting article which describes the formation of the proto-Germanic language from pre-Germanic (Indo-European; IE) as a language contact event between speakers of the Uralic language family (i.e. Finns, Sami, Estonians) and the people of the Nordic Bronze Age complex.
Proto-Germanic is a bit of an oddity in relation to other IE languages, most notably are the sound shifts associated with Grimm’s and Verner’s law. A classic example of this is the sound shift from PIE “p” sound to “f”, or “t” to “th” (think Latin Pater vs English Father).
While the theory present in the article is not entirely soundproof, and certainly has some issues, it is nevertheless highly interesting and provokes some thought. Additional evidence for this theory include recent genetic evidence not mentioned by this article, more specifically, Y chromosomal haplogroup N, which is classically associated with Uralic language speakers (and some IE speakers, such as Lithuanians), and is thought to have arrived in its current locations around the early Iron Age (700-400 BCE). These dates largely correspond quite strongly to the proposed estimated dates for the Grimm’s/Verner’s sound shifts.
The article in question:
https://indo-european.eu/2018/06/pre-germanic-born-out-of-a-proto-finnic-substrate-in-scandinavia/
Arrival of haplogroup N:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6544527/
Hariwulfaz, the Sun Riders
@solarcult
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Pre-Germanic born out of a Proto-Finnic substrate in Scandinavia | Indo-European.eu
A commenter, Old Europe, drew my attention to the Uralic (Finnic-Saamic) substrate in Germanic proposed by Schrijver in Chapter V. Origins of Language Contact and the Origins of the Germanic Languages, Routledge (2014). I wanted to share here some interesting…
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It is written that Lycurgus, the famed King of Sparta, visited the Pythia before pronouncing his new laws.
"You have come to my rich temple, Lycurgus / A man dear to Zeus and to all who have Olympian homes / I am in doubt whether to pronounce you man or god / But I think rather you are a god, Lycurgus." Some say that the Pythia also declared to him the constitution that now exists at Sparta, but the Lacedaemonians themselves say that Lycurgus brought it from Crete when he was guardian of his nephew Leobetes, the Spartan king.
— Herodotus
According to Diodorus and Plutarch, Lycurgus' preaching against the perils of financial greed, attributing the following pronouncement to her:
Love of money and nothing else will ruin Sparta.
— Pythia (Oracle at Delphi)
"You have come to my rich temple, Lycurgus / A man dear to Zeus and to all who have Olympian homes / I am in doubt whether to pronounce you man or god / But I think rather you are a god, Lycurgus." Some say that the Pythia also declared to him the constitution that now exists at Sparta, but the Lacedaemonians themselves say that Lycurgus brought it from Crete when he was guardian of his nephew Leobetes, the Spartan king.
— Herodotus
According to Diodorus and Plutarch, Lycurgus' preaching against the perils of financial greed, attributing the following pronouncement to her:
Love of money and nothing else will ruin Sparta.
— Pythia (Oracle at Delphi)
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Музыка - прекрасный пример того, что есть в этом мире, но не принадлежит ему. Великие музыкальные произведения говорят с нами из другого мира, пусть они и говорят с нами обычными физическими звуками.
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The Climactic Spear-Throwing Scenes of Celtic Myth: Lugh as Yudhishthira-Mitra and Balor as one of the Rudras
https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-climactic-spear-throwing-scenes-of.html?m=1
We compare the three climactic spear-throwing scenes of Irish Lugh and Welsh Lleu with that of the Indian Yudhishthira to further establish the paradigm of the Mitraic god.
This is the great climactic kill that ends the Great War and brings peace and victory, and it is the prerogative of the Lawful Sovereign.
- O’Gravy, the Sun Riders
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https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-climactic-spear-throwing-scenes-of.html?m=1
We compare the three climactic spear-throwing scenes of Irish Lugh and Welsh Lleu with that of the Indian Yudhishthira to further establish the paradigm of the Mitraic god.
This is the great climactic kill that ends the Great War and brings peace and victory, and it is the prerogative of the Lawful Sovereign.
- O’Gravy, the Sun Riders
@solarcult
Here at The Sun Riders, our goal is to cover and inform about several different branches of Indo-European culture, myth, and religion. Our articles on comparative mythology demonstrate beautifully how closely connected we all are as heirs of Indo-European thought and spirit.
To symbolize our common source and to pay homage to the richness of art styles which have sprung forth from our peoples, we have created this fusion design of a Sun Disc, which we proudly feature in our shop, for example on this classic zip hoodie.
We incorporated a Celtic art style in the centre of the disc, a Germanic style in the ring around it, and finally a Slavic style in the outer ring.
This sentiment of brotherhood among our cultures is of prime importance to us.
- PGM, The Sun Riders
@solarcult
To symbolize our common source and to pay homage to the richness of art styles which have sprung forth from our peoples, we have created this fusion design of a Sun Disc, which we proudly feature in our shop, for example on this classic zip hoodie.
We incorporated a Celtic art style in the centre of the disc, a Germanic style in the ring around it, and finally a Slavic style in the outer ring.
This sentiment of brotherhood among our cultures is of prime importance to us.
- PGM, The Sun Riders
@solarcult
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The Lycurgus cup is a Roman glass cage cup made of dichroic glass in the 4th century A.D.
It shows a different colour depending on whether or not light is passing through it; green when lit from in front and red when lit from behind.
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It shows a different colour depending on whether or not light is passing through it; green when lit from in front and red when lit from behind.
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Pottery, Celtiberian Script
Spain, c. 2nd century BCE
Spain, c. 2nd century BCE
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"Braganza Brooch"
Celtiberian, 3rd century BCE
This brooch was made by a Greek craftsman for a Celtiberian client; discovered in Portugal.
Celtiberian, 3rd century BCE
This brooch was made by a Greek craftsman for a Celtiberian client; discovered in Portugal.
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The Voyage of Life (Childhood, Youth, Manhood, Old Age) A series of paintings by Anglo-American painter Thomas Cole, painted in 1842.
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'Steppe migrant thugs pacified by Stone Age farming women'
"When present day European genetics was formed during the beginning of the Bronze Age 5,000 years ago it was a result of migrating Yamnaya pastoralists from the Caspian steppe encountering Stone Age farmers in northern and eastern Europe. A grand synthesis article argues that young Yamnaya warriors belonging to raiding parties married local Stone Age women, settling and adopting a more agrarian lifestyle. During this process, where the Corded Ware Culture was formed, a new Proto-Germanic dialect appeared."
Kristiansen, Willerslev et al. (2017) – Link
"When present day European genetics was formed during the beginning of the Bronze Age 5,000 years ago it was a result of migrating Yamnaya pastoralists from the Caspian steppe encountering Stone Age farmers in northern and eastern Europe. A grand synthesis article argues that young Yamnaya warriors belonging to raiding parties married local Stone Age women, settling and adopting a more agrarian lifestyle. During this process, where the Corded Ware Culture was formed, a new Proto-Germanic dialect appeared."
Kristiansen, Willerslev et al. (2017) – Link
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Be a bastion of the Sun
https://telegra.ph/Be-a-bastion-of-the-Sun-07-15
Rodnik, The Sun Riders.
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https://telegra.ph/Be-a-bastion-of-the-Sun-07-15
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Telegraph
Be a bastion of the Sun
How many times have you fallen into despair, be it because of a real life event, lack of hope, or lack spiritual fulfilment? People who truly follow our spiritual path and worldview with their hearts and actions may often come to a feeling of despair, lack…
The Dagda, the Irish Wind Harvester: Part 1 of 2
https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-dagda-irish-wind-harvester-is.html?m=1
This is an updated version of the recently posted Dagda article, with only small changes emphasizing that Dagda likely combines both wind and sky roles. Thanks for reading.
“Just as the first and third functions have two representative deities who form a partnership or duad (Mitra-Varuna, for example), in a similar way the second function has for its exemplars the two contrasting warrior gods – in Vedic myth and hymn: Indra and Vayu. Dumezil describes their contrast as the same as that seen between Achilles and Hercules, calling the first “the chivalrous,” and the second “the brutal.””
- O’Gravy, the Sun Riders
@solarcult
https://taliesinsmap.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-dagda-irish-wind-harvester-is.html?m=1
This is an updated version of the recently posted Dagda article, with only small changes emphasizing that Dagda likely combines both wind and sky roles. Thanks for reading.
“Just as the first and third functions have two representative deities who form a partnership or duad (Mitra-Varuna, for example), in a similar way the second function has for its exemplars the two contrasting warrior gods – in Vedic myth and hymn: Indra and Vayu. Dumezil describes their contrast as the same as that seen between Achilles and Hercules, calling the first “the chivalrous,” and the second “the brutal.””
- O’Gravy, the Sun Riders
@solarcult