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https://alfredeaker.com/2020/04/27/interview-novena-news-alfred-eaker-author-of-brother-cobweb-we-the-laity-are-the-church-not-the-hierarchy-it-needs-us-prodigals/
Interview Novena News : Alfred Eaker, author of 'Brother Cobweb': We, the laity, are the Church, not the hierarchy. It needs us prodigals."