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https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2018/01/09/thresholds-in-time-and-space-visioning-a-multidimensional-permaculture-paradigm-with-ann-kreilkamp-ph-d/
Thresholds in Time and Space: Visioning a Multidimensional Permaculture Paradigm (with Ann Kreilkamp, Ph.D.)