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https://macdailynews.com/2016/04/01/apples-first-40-years-an-oral-history-from-insiders-spoiler-bill-gates-had-a-bigger-role-in-apples-success-than-even-he-may-know/
Apple's first 40 years: An oral history from insiders; Spoiler: Bill Gates had a bigger role in Apple's success than even he may know