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https://scapimag.com/2019/03/02/liminal-text-that-is-performative-and-total-a-conversation-with-ryan-oliveira-anna-rose-ii-epstein-and-hannah-herrera-greenspan/
Liminal Text That is Performative and Total: A Conversation with Ryan Oliveira, Anna Rose Ii-Epstein, and Hannah Herrera Greenspan