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https://steveblank.com/2015/07/02/episode-5-on-sirius-xm-channel-111-pete-newell-john-kuhn-matt-weingart-takashi-tsutsmi-and-masato-iino/
Episode 5 on Sirius XM Channel 111: Pete Newell, John Kuhn, Matt Weingart, Takashi Tsutsmi and Masato Iino