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https://thinkwingradio.com/2014/11/20/data-or-dogma-what-should-be-the-basis-for-educational-policy-and-who-should-decide-talk-at-north-texas-skeptics-july-2000/
"DATA OR DOGMA: What Should Be the Basis for Educational Policy, and Who Should Decide?" (Talk at North Texas Skeptics, July 2000)