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https://thinkwingradio.com/2020/04/11/when-systems-fail-what-pandemics-and-cyberspace-tell-us-about-the-future-of-national-security-war-on-the-rocks/
“When Systems Fail: What Pandemics and Cyberspace Tell Us About the Future of National Security” - War on the Rocks